A recent patent from SRAM depicts an all-new e-bike motor design that is quite the departure from the Brose-powered system that debuted last fall. The patent itself centers on the positioning and arrangement of battery cells, which seem to be located within the motor casing itself, or at least very closely sidled up against it. Placing weight so low on the bike would be advantageous, certainly for a full suspension mountain bike, where handling is massively affected not just by overall weight, but by where the mass is located.
Notable is the method of charging; the patent reads,
"Charge current may come from a DC source, or the charge current may be supplied from any USB C power source. This allows consumers to have a single standardized charger for their phone, laptop, and electrically powered bicycle". It's also clear that the battery is to be removable, and can also be used to charge other devices like a phone.
While useful, charging via USB-C isn't all that exciting. However, what's of greater interest is the arrangement of the motor unit itself. It's super compact, with all of the hardware sitting concentric to the bottom bracket.
Most eMTB drive units take on an oval shape, having much of the hardware necessary for the reduction ratio (converting pedaling cadence to the electric motor's rpm) sitting offset to the stator. The
SRAM Powertrain, powered by Brose, is one such example. It is a full-powered drive unit with a maximum torque of 90 Nm and a peak power output of 680 W, and it is the engine room of bikes like the
Nukeproof Megawatt,
Transition Repeater,
Gas Gas ECC and the
Propain Ekano 2 CF.
There are some mid-powered e-bike motors that are the exception to that rule. Namely, the
TQ HPR-50 and the
Free Flow Technology FF60. Both run on a similar Harmonic Pin Ring, or Strain Wave technology, that allows the stator to sit inside and concentric to the hardware carrying out that all-important reduction step between the rider's cadence and the motor's rpm. What we see in this recent patent from SRAM is a not dissimilar layout.
Though we can't see inside, it's clear that the drive unit itself is cylindrical in shape, and far more compact than the full-powered Powertrain. While SRAM has leaned upon the Brose technology for its first foray into the world of eBike motors, it'd be naive to assume they weren't tinkering away on a design of their very own. This could be our first glance at that system.
Though there's little to be gleaned at this stage, I'd hazard a guess that we may see a new motor from SRAM in the next few years that takes on this more compact shape, that is lighter than the 90 Nm Powertrain, but also much less powerful - likely in the region of 50-60 Nm.
We did reach out to SRAM for comment, but they decline to comment on patent applications.
Cybertrucks, if you will...
Need more interoperability, standardization, and repairability.
German enginers>murican marketing
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ig-R65yHg&ab_channel=ToutTerrain
Yea 18650s or 21700s or even 4680s now. Cylinders are the best format for these batteries
This patent and other activities like it are precisely WHY all of the components and bikes you see coming out are so expensive. Nobody wants to get left behind in the dark ages, so everybody is staffing and funding projects for e-development and the burden of that R+D cost falls on the whole business.
E-bikes are costing all of us money, whether we try to opt out or not. It's inescapable because even small builders who aren't involved rely on giant component makers who ARE involved. It feels like a bullet train headed towards the industry having an identity crisis and wreaking havoc as some companies pivot towards powered personal mobility and recreation over time and others cling to bicycles.
Wasn't Honda's first vehicle a pedal-assisted bike? Now they build cars and jets and other companies build bikes. Maybe in the future SRAM will be an electric motor supplier for the military and have a line of madmax motorbikes, and TRP or ZTTO will supply all the bicycle parts. IDK.
The trickle down advancements are starting from e-bikes now, not the other way around. Thanks e-bikes
Your average DH/Enduro racer...even racing at the "Expert" level, let alone "pro"...puts far more stress on components than the average ebike rider putzing around on flow trails.
"What about strong riders on ebikes?" I'd counter that the average 160 - 180ish lbs male rider in Europe/NA on an ebike weighs the same as someone built like Richie Rude (200 lbs) on a regular bike. So in reality most of these "e-bike" edition products are full-on product marketing BS.
In conclusion...BRING BACK THE TOTEM. 40mm or BUST!
40 cells suggests 10s4p arrangement so probably a full fat bike. Be nice to see how compact and rearward biased weight distribution it could manage with half that (10s2p).
I have no real interest in heavyweight super powerful eeebs but lightweight ones are super liberating when you have no uplift options and limited time.
Riding an e-bike currently and looking how scratched up the bottom of the motor case is I’m very happy there are no batteries there on my bike and that they are higher up the down tube
It would be interesting to A/B test this alongside a comparable bike with a battery in the down tube location to contrast handling relative to inertia and gravity.
That's clear? It looks completely integrated. I mean, the first few figures literally show it as one monolith unit...
And a USB-C connection does not automatically mean it can act as a Power Delivery host and thus supply power to a connected device. If it's not configured that way, connecting a newer phone may even try to charge the bike since "power sharing" to charge wireless headphones and such using the phone battery is common in fancy phones nowadays.
Terminology is important, especially in patents: "any USB C power source" _IS_ "a DC source", there is no "or" involved.
With a DC source you apply the voltage and the charged device pulls the current it wants or needs and that's it.
The negative to either variant is the fact you need a charger inside the drive unit to handle the voltage conversion and charging states and talk to the battery. This is something that is done with cars, but as far as I understand eBike drives use an external charger (the brick) to talk to the battery and do the adaptations to the charging states. This means less space is taken up and less weight added to the bike itself.
Also, I guess I should start publishing ideas, I was pithing USB-C charging in an e-bike related meeting in late 2019... -_-
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