TRP is a brand on the move and, happily enough for them, it seems to be on a near-constant upward trajectory. Initially, I think there was a degree of skepticism around them. After all, Tektro, the entry-level brake manufacturing giant, make enough brakes that we've probably nearly all ridden a set at some point, but how would their racing division fare, and would they be sticking around for the long term?
From the outside, the design ethos at TRP seems quite easy to admire. Not much about their brakes scream "gram counting". For me, this is something like a blessed relief. I don't mind my brakes being heavier, or my rotors thicker. I understand why some people are concerned about the weight of them, or perhaps don't ride the technical terrain that warrants them, but I definitely don't put myself in that camp.
TRP Trail Evo Details• 270ºC boiling point
• 307 g (80cm hose, with pads, no adaptor or hardware)
• 2.3 mm High-Flow caliper
• Hybrid composite caliper pistons
• New resin pads
• 5.0 mm hose
• 10 mm master cylinder piston
• $209.99 USD per wheel - rotors not included
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www.trpcycling.com This is where the new TRP Trail Evo brake comes in. Not only does it have an actual weight of 307g for a front brake including pads but excluding the rotor, which is heavier than both the Code RSC or the XT four pot, it also does that without some of the same features. I think if it were to include more adjustments we would see that weight increase further. I obviously don't actively want heavy brakes, but it's interesting to see where the Trail Evo's priorities lie. To further accentuate this point, the TRP R1 rotors that I've been using are 2.3mm thick - 0.5mm thicker than most rotors from Shimano or, until recently with their
new 2.0mm options, SRAM.
The Trail Evo brakes are also priced very well. At just over $200 USD per end, it carries over the value that Tektro is known for into its high-end offerings.
Technical DetailsThe Trail Evo sits between the
DH-R Evo, which is their downhill brake, and the Slate Evo, which is intended for lighter trail biking and eMTBs. The Trail Evo also has a price between the two - $70 more than the Slates and $20 less than the DH-R Evo. All of these brakes all signify a wholesale commitment by TRP to thicker rotors, and all come recommended for use with the 2.3s.
The Trail Evo brake calipers hold four hybrid composite caliper pistons that aim to deal with the demands of heavier bikes and longer descents while being better at resisting heat build up. The lever comes with a choice of mounting options for I-Spec EV, SRAM Matchmaker, and TRP's own shifters. It also benefits from tool-less reach adjustment, although sadly not a contact point adjustment.
The Trail EVO has TRPs high-flow calipers and a 10mm master cylinder piston with new seals that supposedly require less breakaway force. It also makes use of 5mm external diameter hoses that claim to be stiffer. This should aid hydraulic pressure when the lever is forcing oil to the caliper. They also make use of an updated mineral oil recipe. The reformulated oil has a higher boiling point.
Installation & SetupThe brakes came with a simple and effective pre-bled "EZ-Plug System". It's an idea that is very effective and essentially means that brakes were bled at the factory, then had their levers disconnected from their hoses and the plugged. You can install them easily at home, including sliding them through any internal routing before trimming down and reconnecting. I thought I would ride the bike before bleeding it and have found it to perform admirably and haven't reached for the bleed kit just yet. Should you need to do so, the method for bleeding TRPs is very simple - you just push the oil up through the system, which will flush any air out as you do so.
I really liked the simple hinged mechanism on the levers, and it does without the release-catch you will find on Shimano brakes. This approach makes for easier installation and removal. The MMX shifter compatibility did have me scratching my head a little, though. The adaptors sit inboard of the lever and those with small hands may well struggle. Even using the limited adjustment of my SRAM GX shifter, it wasn't ever really enough to move it to a suitably outward position. It wasn't uncomfortable, but it does require you to shift your hand on the grip slightly. This is exacerbated if you run your hands towards the outer edge of the grip. Either way, it didn't have much adjustability and this would soon begin to feel like a theme.
I dialed my levers into their most inward position. The place where my finger fell on the lever itself felt good, however, I did initially have concerns that there wasn't enough lever throw before engaging the rotor. The full adjustment of the reach, in my opinion, in no way represented a useable range. The most outward position was almost absurdly far away.
At its closest the distance between behind where your index finger would rest on the blade and the grip was 43.5mm. The bit point was measured at 27.5mm. The back of the lever when the reach adjustment was in its most extreme outward position was 69.5mm away from the grip. I feel like the brake would benefit if all these figures were reduced by around 20mm.
PerformanceOn the trail, the brakes are sublime in so many ways. However, that's not to say they don't have foibles.
Firstly, let's talk about power and pads.
I initially ran these brakes with TRP's new Performance Resin compound. They bedded in very quickly and the power was, in a word, remarkable. What struck me was not how quiet and effective the brakes were but also how little the power faded for an organic pad. There are some brands that have organic pads which I don't consider worth the backing plate they're bonded to, but that's not the case with the TRPs. In fact, even in a particularly wet autumn in Squamish they even lasted well too.
I had initially assumed the resin pad would wear quick enough that it would only be a week or two before I went for the harder metallic option. However, even after many wet and sodden rides there was material left. I decided to blink first and changed to the sintered option.
The sintered pad, much like the resin, seems to offer the performance you would hope for without the blind spot you may find with some brand's versions. Not only was the power as consistent as you would hope, but there was a distinct lack of glazing or vibrations, even after long, brake-heavy descents.
In the aforementioned points, these brakes truly excel and have left me very impressed. However, there are criticisms, too.
I think the supreme power of these brakes is let down by somewhat lackluster ergonomics. I have quite large hands, typically an XL or XXL in gloves, and I found that I could not get the lever to sit in a good range of control - it was simply too far away. I feel that I can modulate levers better when they're in a window that's closer to the bar than the TRP's could offer. The lever position, coupled with a brake that could be described as offering its full range of power in a short amount of lever stroke, meant that if ever I was getting bashed or pushed around on the bike, which can happen often, I could over-apply the brake and compromise myself.
There was also the issue of riding wet and slippery rock slabs in Pemberton. Truthfully, the ergonomic quirks of the brake did affect modulation when surface grip was limited.
I think it's a very good brake, and there will be some people that will happily trade some positioning options for all-out power, but I would struggle to say I'm one of them. I really like them, and it's not that they lack modulation, but rather a large amount of power on offer means that they work best with muted and small inputs from your hands. This is a strength in some ways, and staves off hand fatigue on long runs, but it has to be in a useable range and I don't feel as if the Trail Evo is able to offer that to me.
I tried various bleed tricks to bring the lever in, but their bite point would normally migrate outward and further away from the bar within half a run. I would still run them, and I think their power and consistency could quite possibly be class-leading in terms of power-per-dollar, especially when comparing against the industry giants of Shimano and SRAM, but I would love it if they could incorporate both power, consistency
and better ergonomics. I feel like the lack of the latter undermines what would be a truly excellent braking package.
Pros
+ Very consistent lever feel
+ Huge amounts of power with a minimal exertion
+ Easy to install and bleed
+ Well priced
Cons
- Lack of bite point adjustment
- Shifter position could be better
- The reach adjustment doesn't put the lever in a useable range
Pinkbike's Take | If you want power, consistency, and an ethos that prioritizes performance over gram-counting then this is the brake for you. However, you will also need to make your peace with the lack of adjustment to the bite point and learn to live with the lever blade being relatively far away from the grip. If you can do that though, or at best get used to it, you'll have a very good set of brakes for enduro riding. I think TRP is on to something with the 2.3mm rotors and I wouldn't be surprised to see other brands follow suit in the coming years.— Henry Quinney |
TVs and computers use shared componentry across multiple manufacturers. There are currently only 15 companies on the planet that produce LCD panels. That means 15 companies have managed to corner the market on an industry that produces 214 MILLION TVs every year, 1.5 BILLION phones and another 40 MILLION computer monitors. LCD panel (and OLED panel) production is incredibly scalable as they are a pressed product. Manufacturing brakes requires complex machining, post processing of parts and much lower production volumes.
A good comparison would be the cost of printing an entire novel on paper vs engraving the first page on a sheet of aluminum. You can use a printing press to stamp a page incredibly quickly - on the order of 0.5 seconds, while engraving would take several minutes per page. If bikers would be happy with rough cast heavy brake calipers with minor post-machining like you find on cheap car brakes, we would see a big drop in price. But nobody is putting rough cast brake calipers and levers on their bike.
Also the Spryres are road/CX and you are most likely to run 160mm on those bikes.
The new Deore M6100 brakes are a perfect example of trickle down. All the power of the XT and XTR brakes for $170CAD. They might not have all of the features the pricier brakes do, but their really similar for a lot less money.
Post COVID + an increase in wages in Asia = things cost more like how much they're meant to cost + better wages in Asia. Can't benefit off cheap manufacturing in Asia for ever. How dare they start wanting to earn a decent wage.
You know, your obvious anger issues will shorten your life. Oh btw, you ain’t as smart as you think you are, nobody really is.
Everything has been EVO-fied
Just unreal, they made a customer for life right there.
@bdub5696 the Trail set is just an MT5 and MT4, nothing different...tho I've always found mine to be quite easy to bleed, and don't need to bleed often, sucks you're having other experiences.
I've been running these for 3 years, and have been very pleased.
As you describe these too as on/off with all teh power in a short stroke. But heavier and with less reach adjustment.
That bring said, some of the "issues " mentioned in the review are more about setup and personal preferences than the brakes. First, that shifter does look inboard a lot. But I also look at that grip to brake gap and wonder why on earth its at least an inch. Wonder if some paying around with location on the bar would fix that. (Or do shifter on its own clamp inboard of the brake...) But what about the second issue, the way out there reach? Well, as the review notes, you don't need much effort in the beginning of the brake lever stroke (or any of it really). TRP brakes have modulation and power for days. You just need a fingertip and not, as illustrated above, the 2nd finger segment, to do most braking. For comparison to the reviewer, I have tiny hands, wearing a medium in most gloves, and have the reach adjustment about 6ish turns from the closest to the bars. Have no issues with the brake lever being too far out.
I do wish brake manufactures would have "sized" levers though. It would help for situations like this.
Now, lets talk about what really matters, talking fellow Pinkbike staff into a fat bike field test here in MN... ;-)
Hello i often have the same problem with levers. What i do is to exchange right and left matchmaker. Works very well to shift your gear lever outward without touching your brake lever position.
Try it ;-)
For what it’s worth, these are basically the Quadiems, with an updated caliper that fits a 2.3mm rotor, and features top loading pads.
It’s got the same size pistons (16mm x 4), and the master cylinder/lever piston diameter is the same.
The DHR Evo uses the same caliper, but a different master cylinder piston diameter, for more power.
I’ve had my pair of quadiems for almost three years now, and I’ve had absolutely zero problems with them. No overheating, squealing, pump, fade or anything else untoward. I’d absolutely consider these brakes for a new build.
Was this meant to be positive? This review is heavy confuse
"I found that I could not get the lever to sit in a good range of control - it was simply too far away"
I contacted TRP about this, and they said it was for safety to prevent the levers from pulling to the bars but these levers are wayyyy out there. I don't really agree with the safety justification.
Amazing brakes but quite disappointed about how far out the levers are. Thinking of downsizing the front rotor from 203 to 180 just so I don't accidentally lose the front wheel, because when things get rough it's hard to modulate the front brake with the lever so far out.
Gonna give it the old college try though in an effort to make these brakes work because other than that they're sick.
Last summer I rode at Powderhorn for the first time and got pretty good arm pump. I thought it was mostly due to the firm trail conditions, speed, and embedded rock. I adjusted my suspension to no avail. Now I’m thinking the far out position of the lever may have contributed.
Maybe the "Matchmaker" adapters are on the wrong side: The SRAM-to-SRAM mount that I have puts the shifter/dropper bolt outboard of the brake clamp...
Also, sure looks like that OneUp dropper lever is on the most inboard location. Maybe the outboard setting is still too far inboard, but why make that comment in a caption for a pic that shows the least optimal setting?
The adaptors were not on the wrong side. I looked into running them inversely, however there is a lip on the clamp itself that prevents this.
The picture you reference was taken at the start of testing, just incase I scuffed up the levers. I hadn't ridden them yet and put them in a relatively neutral postion. The other photos (with my hands in them) were taken at the end of the test period. Hope that helps. Cheers.
A whole 10C more than DOT 5.1! Though, doesn't matter once any significant moisture works it's way in: since the water will remain separate, the system boiling point immediately drops to 100C.
no. They are not priced very well. $200 is a shit ton for a brake.
No, thanks. Hard pass.
Der Preis ist natürlich sportlich, aber würde es immer wieder tun.
One of the most powerful, well modulated, consistent Feel and reliable brakes out there.
You can hear an enzyme, but you can hear a hormone.
However, unlike tryptophan, nothing made by TRP would be considered essential!